First of all "What the fuck's a Subbanator?" It doesn't really fit like the Dominator for Hasek. I vote we don't use that here. We can do better.
Second, would it be more funny or more wrong if one of them dressed as SUBBANATOR and the other dressed like Abe Lincoln with EMANCIPATOR written across his chest. Just curious.
@ Chester: If wearing an Afro wig and blackface is just "dressing up like PK..." then I'm dressed up as Santa Claus right now. I mean, sure, I'm skinny, 5'7", have a shaved head, and wearing business casual, but Santa is white too. Right?
They didn't mean to cause offense, I'm sure. Doesn't mean it wasn't racist. (There's a reason people like to use the word 'ignorant' to talk about racists.)
Perhaps. But the term racist didn't jump out at me the first time I saw them on TV. It was only after when I'm reading the blogs and realized that folks were taking offence at this. I dunno, I see it as a could of guys dressed up for a night at the Bell Centre. But that's me.
I've been in favour of PK "F'ing" Subban all this time, but it isn't catching on. I would also accept PK "Effing" Subban or the more formal PK Fucking Subban if need be.
I think part of the issue here is that non-Americans might not have as much awareness of or sensitivity to the history of blackface and minstrel shows. There was a similar incident last year involving an Australian variety show with an amateur group calling themselves the Jackson Jive. Like the Subbanator bozos, the Jackson Jivers were probably well-intentioned but completely ignorant of the ugly connotations associated with painting their faces black and putting on afro wigs. Incidentally, Harry Connick, Jr. was one of the judges on the Aussie show, and as I recall he gave a fairly well-reasoned explanation as to why he was offended. His explanation is probably better than mine.
I dunno about the Devils and their "throwback" jerseys. Does 20 years really constitute a throwback...? History? Tradition? Is that the history of the Kansas City Scouts or the Colorado Rockies? (I'd be more impressed if they wore THOSE jerseys).
How did Ray Ferraro save Ovie the two games? Is there a record of these hearings?
I reiterate that Maximum Max needed a better lawyer. It is now obvious that Max really got screwed. Ovie breaks a rib and a collarbone and gets to take off two games?
By the way, maybe PK Subban should be Subbarman. Big Red S. That would move us away from the wigs, and black face. Somebody get Michelle Obama's input- she is pretty good with these things even if she is probably a Blackhawks fan.
First, congrats to McKeever for winning Canada's first paralympic gold medal at home, and belated congrats to all the other athletes who have won medals there so far. I've actually had to work these last few days so I'm all backed up.
Just saw the hit and the 'discussion' on the TSN panel. None of this surprises me. You want to know why the NHL will never get big in the US? Because it's an old boys club and the media is part of it. Certain players, people and teams are protected and the old standard will live on. Watching those morons sit there and try to convince themselves the Ovie and Laps hits were completely different and ignoring all the other variables (Ovie's previous suspensions and dangerous plays) would have been laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. This was the first time I actually felt like writing in just because protection of the status quo like this is what's ruining the game. I love Campbell's response when he questions what American parent would let their kid play after this and the Savard incident. Unfortunately, like the Bertuzzi/Moore incident, he'll get labeled a wimp while he loses out on his career while Ovie goes on to fame and riches with TSN McSplooging all over him.
And I used to like Ovie. Now I find he's pushing more and more because he knows he can get away with it.
Not even a tad?
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...is it really too soon to drop this?
this story is 5 days old hf4. we already had this conversation, i dont fee like having it again. they apologized, move on. who gives a fuck
Wow. How dare they assume the PK's hair would look like that if he decided to grow it out. For shame.
Old news?
I think this was much more racist. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1541445888/tt0381707
Didn't realize this was already discussed.
Sorry folks.
Let's move on then to a newer topic.
Price or Halak?
a newer topic
hehe
Ca-rey! Ca-rey!
OV, how many games will collie dish out or will he have some lame excuse after talking to his agent/mom.
I say a Lapierresque 4 games, which amount$ to nearly what, a million dollars?
WV, ishablo, as in ishablo to the Caps' ass if OV gets suspended.
Wait til these guys break out their tribute to our new Jewish prospect.
Not really sure that this is germane to today's discussion but...but it's Lazertits!
Think they'd post some Big and Little action shots?
I don't get what the fuss is all about. They dressed up like PK. He is a black guy .. WTF is the problem ?
First of all "What the fuck's a Subbanator?" It doesn't really fit like the Dominator for Hasek. I vote we don't use that here. We can do better.
Second, would it be more funny or more wrong if one of them dressed as SUBBANATOR and the other dressed like Abe Lincoln with EMANCIPATOR written across his chest. Just curious.
@ Chester: If wearing an Afro wig and blackface is just "dressing up like PK..." then I'm dressed up as Santa Claus right now. I mean, sure, I'm skinny, 5'7", have a shaved head, and wearing business casual, but Santa is white too.
Right?
They didn't mean to cause offense, I'm sure. Doesn't mean it wasn't racist. (There's a reason people like to use the word 'ignorant' to talk about racists.)
Pants
Perhaps. But the term racist didn't jump out at me the first time I saw them on TV. It was only after when I'm reading the blogs and realized that folks were taking offence at this. I dunno, I see it as a could of guys dressed up for a night at the Bell Centre. But that's me.
@ L Dude:
I've been in favour of PK "F'ing" Subban all this time, but it isn't catching on. I would also accept PK "Effing" Subban or the more formal PK Fucking Subban if need be.
@LD - Soobie-do? (where are you?)
I guess it's been done, but it seems more appropriate to me.
HF10 - i like PK F'ing Subban. I'm voting in favor of this.
@Chester,
I think part of the issue here is that non-Americans might not have as much awareness of or sensitivity to the history of blackface and minstrel shows. There was a similar incident last year involving an Australian variety show with an amateur group calling themselves the Jackson Jive. Like the Subbanator bozos, the Jackson Jivers were probably well-intentioned but completely ignorant of the ugly connotations associated with painting their faces black and putting on afro wigs. Incidentally, Harry Connick, Jr. was one of the judges on the Aussie show, and as I recall he gave a fairly well-reasoned explanation as to why he was offended. His explanation is probably better than mine.
Ovechkin two games. Two more than he would have got if they didn't give poor Lappy four.
Ovechkin repeat offender. Lapierre first time.
@gg - Thanks fer lookin into that!
Wow. I remember the discussion but I hadn't seen the pictures. Yikes.
They look like two evergreen bushes in Canadiens logo shirts.
Fucking ray ferraro saved OV two games. Fucker.
in non minstrel news devils up on the bruins 3-0 after 1.
let the scoreboard watching begin!
I dunno about the Devils and their "throwback" jerseys. Does 20 years really constitute a throwback...? History? Tradition? Is that the history of the Kansas City Scouts or the Colorado Rockies? (I'd be more impressed if they wore THOSE jerseys).
How did Ray Ferraro save Ovie the two games?
Is there a record of these hearings?
I reiterate that Maximum Max needed a better lawyer. It is now obvious that Max really got screwed. Ovie breaks a rib and a collarbone and gets to take off two games?
By the way, maybe PK Subban should be Subbarman. Big Red S. That would move us away from the wigs, and black face. Somebody get Michelle Obama's input- she is pretty good with these things even if she is probably a Blackhawks fan.
First, congrats to McKeever for winning Canada's first paralympic gold medal at home, and belated congrats to all the other athletes who have won medals there so far. I've actually had to work these last few days so I'm all backed up.
Just saw the hit and the 'discussion' on the TSN panel. None of this surprises me. You want to know why the NHL will never get big in the US? Because it's an old boys club and the media is part of it. Certain players, people and teams are protected and the old standard will live on. Watching those morons sit there and try to convince themselves the Ovie and Laps hits were completely different and ignoring all the other variables (Ovie's previous suspensions and dangerous plays) would have been laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. This was the first time I actually felt like writing in just because protection of the status quo like this is what's ruining the game. I love Campbell's response when he questions what American parent would let their kid play after this and the Savard incident. Unfortunately, like the Bertuzzi/Moore incident, he'll get labeled a wimp while he loses out on his career while Ovie goes on to fame and riches with TSN McSplooging all over him.
And I used to like Ovie. Now I find he's pushing more and more because he knows he can get away with it.
Looking at craigslist for an apt in Montreal, look on the TV here:
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What is more racist, this, or (as my American friend did) calling the black guy on the Canadian Olympic bobsled team "IGLEENA"?
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